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and that's it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. this is "cnn tonight." we do have some breaking news to start this broadcast tonight on the prince investigation. a law enforcement official is telling cnn that local authorities found prescription opiate medication on prince and in his home. on prince and in his home. our dr. drew is going to join us a little bit later on in the broadcast, but i want to begin with cnn's evan perez now, who has more. evan, the breaking news tonight on this prince investigation. what are your sources telling you? >> reporter: well, don -- have asked the dea for help.
they want to know where these prescription pills came from. these were opioid medications. they're typically used to treat pain, and they're also commonly abused. they're very commonly abused. they're very addictive, and that's one reason why we don't have a lot of control over who takes them and how they're prescribed. we are told that the dea is now working on that, trying to figure out whether he had a prescription, where these pills were particularly from a doctor and why that was, and that's what the local authorities -- [ inaudible ] these are opioid medications that were found in the home and on him. >> i want to repeat because we had some trouble at the top of the show hearing what you said first. the breaking news is that law enforcement authorities investigating the death of prince found prescription opioid medication on him and in his
home. that's what a law enforcement official is telling cnn. the pills are commonly used to treat pain, and investigators have brought in the dea to help with the probe. again, opioid medication on prince and in his home. on him would be in that elevator where he was found a week ago, where he died. again, our evan perez is joining us with the very latest. we know prince had a health care with a week before his death, evan. are investigators making a connection to that and what they're learning tonight? >> that is certainly now part of the investigation don. as you said, there was a health scare. he was on a private plane, and they made an emergency landing at an illinois airport. and he was treated immediately for a potential overdose for these prescription medications. again, we're talking about opioid pills, and they're very dangerous. and it's the kind of thing that
when you have someone who's unresponsive, which is what the pilot radioed in when he asked for an emergency landing, that there was a male unresponsive. we now know that was prince on board that aircraft. what they typically do is when someone is seen like that, they try to make sure -- try to save his life, give the particular treatment. in this case, they gave him a treatment that's commonly used for people who are overdosing on prescription pain medication, and that is what is now part of this investigation. now, we're not saying -- we don't know, and certainly the investigators have not concluded that this was the cause of death. what we do know is that this was an incident that happened about a week before his death, and that is now part of the investigation. obviously there's still toxicology. there's still a lot of work being done to try to determine his cause of death. but obviously that is now a
piece of the puzzle that investigators are looking at to try to see if they can explain what happened. >> they're still awaiting the results of the autopsy and the toxicology for further understanding as to what transpired in this particular situation. evan, what is the role of the dea here? >> well, the dea has a record of doctors who are allowed to prescribe these pills. they're very potent pills. they're very dangerous, and they're very commonly abused, and there's a tight control over who prescribes them. that's one reason why the dea is brought in. so they can figure out where he got them, if he had a prescription that was valid, if these particular pills came from a prescriber, from a doctor, or if he was getting them in some other means. again, we are not suggesting and certainly the investigators haven't concluded that these pills were the cause of death,
but it certainly adds to the information that the investigators are trying to analyze as they try to determine why he died. 57 years old. seemed healthy in other ways. that's one reason why they're trying to get to the bottom of this. >> evan perez, our justice reporter. stand by. if you're just joining us, we're getting the information to cnn. this is what law enforcement officials telling cnn, that in the death of prince, that they found prescription opioid medication on him and in his home. again, this is just coming in to cnn. i want to turn now to dr. drew pin ski. he's the host of hln's dr. drew. he joins us now by telephone. first of all, dr. drew, what's your reaction to what we've just reported? >> well, don, i'm very familiar with all this. we've been covering it every day on our program at hln and we will of course cover it again tomorrow. but you've been hearing rumors of a medication named percocet has been flying around as an alleged medication. that is an opioid pain medication, and it really
doesn't matter what the name of the medication is. opiates, opioids are very dangerous. pain medication. this is a reminder that 90% of the opioids prescribed on earth are prescribed in this country. we are way too cavalier with the prescribing of these medications. that, the pilot issue, the issue of him coming off the plane after it had landed on an emergency basis, i've actually heard the pilot call from the emergency call where he had said he had a patient, a flyer with altered sensorium. whenever a first responder gets to a patient with an altered sensorium, they're going to give them the save medication even if they have no knowledge of the patient being under opioid pain medication or not. in this case, the assumption is that did work because he was on this medication, probably why he was able to leave so quickly from the hospital. and, again, a reminder about these medications. although they're dangerous and overprescribed and we're far too casual with our use of them. in fact, it's rather difficult
to overdose on an oral opioid pain medication. it's only when you had in a sleeping medication or anxiety medication that that combination of the opioid and the benzo is lethal. it's a very common combination. we heard the stories of prince being up for 154 hours and not being able to sleep. my hunch is that in addition to the opioid, there was a benzodiazepine given to him because of that sleeplessness. if that is involved in this tragedy, it's that combination we're going to ultimately find out was the culprit. >> let's talk about your reporting and some of the other reporting out there now. some organizations have reported that he had problems. he was suffering from hip problems, dr. drew. i'm sure you heard that. >> yeah. >> and that he had correcive surgery sometime in 2010. specifically tmz has been reporting that and they have been leading on this particular story in reporting that prince had died. they say but then he got hooked on that drug. does that sound right to you?
>> it sounds plausible. there is this horrible sort of merry go round the patient gets into these days, very commonly in this country, where there's a lack of understanding on the part of the patient and even on the part of the treating physician as well that opioid pain medication are really not a good treatment for chronic pain, and they tend to perpetuate and intensify pain. and my great fear is that this poor man got involved in that. again, this isn't addiction, though. it can be addiction, but it can be really just a medical misadventure. and my hunch is this is not addiction. i really don't believe this man had addiction. you don't hear the story of a long, progressive struggle of this disease with addiction. we hear reasonably happened. something got out of control. maybe it had to do with what happened to poor prince. that is a medical misadventure more than addiction per se. >> we seem to talk about this a lot when it comes to prescription medication and the people, you know, confusing
their medication or being prescribed the wrong medication or the wrong doses or combinations as you say may have happened here. do our drug enforcement people, our doctors, our prescribers need to get a handle on this? what's the problem here, dr. drew? >> don, it's so complicated. it's more than you -- we'll have to do a special on this. the use of opioid pain medication is profound. it is excessive. let me just give you a couple of shorthand caveats. when addicts today die, they do not die of an illicit drug. they die of a prescription combination of benzo and open yatd. virtually 100% of my patients have died have died of that combination. they've died with a prescription prescribed by a doctor, taking it essentially as prescribed. maybe a little too much because after all they're addicts. and then they stop breathing. it's a droug combination. physicians have not caught up with this yet. we have the problem of people with chronic pain taking an
opioid that is not considered an effective long-term treatment, and yet there are many different forces in place that really hamstrings the physician that they kind of have to keep prescribing it. there's systems like workers comp. there's systems like patient satisfaction surveys. there are attorneys that line up that really keep doctors prescribing this medications that are not useful and are, again, 90% of the opioid prescribing on earth are prescribed in this country not because we have more pain and more suffering. we are far too liberal with the prescribing of these medicines. >> but again what you said is you don't believe that he had -- that it was probably not addiction. it was just -- you said a combination, an unfortunate combination you said? >> i think we're going to discover just my hunch. i mean it could be addiction. of course he was a very private guy and maybe something was happening we're just not aware of. my hunch is we're going to find that there was some chronic medical problem that he was contending with, amongst which was a pain syndrome that got treated too aggressively. a combination was put in that
was really dangerous, particularly for somebody with a chronic medical problem, and that was that. i really am highly suspicious. of course i don't know. this is pure conjecture at this point, but it just smacks of that kind of a combination of problems that really results in what we call a medical misadventure. >> all right. that is dr. drew. again, dr. drew knows a lot about this stuff. but again the official reporting is that investigators found prescription opioid medication on prince and in his home. again, a law enforcement official told cnn that. dr. drew, thank you very much. here's a programming note about dr. drew's program. dr. drew's hln airs at a new time, at 7:00 p.m. eastern. again, our thanks to dr. drew. i want to bring in cnn's stephanie elam. stephanie, you are following the latest on the prince estate. we have this new information about the opioid, about the medication. we know he didn't have a will. what else can you tell us about this new information? >> reporter: right.
we know that, don, because of his sister, tyka nelson had filed saying she did not know of a will. what we've learned is that they've now had basically a conference call to discuss this further with tyka and the relatives. what happens here, since prince -- his parents had already passed away. he doesn't have any living children, and so that means he doesn't have a spouse either. so that means his siblings now will have to work this out and figure out what they're going to do with all of the assets that prince had. so he has his full sister, tyka nelson, and then he had five half-siblings as well. so now we do know that they are going to work through this. one of the things that they have done in court is they've actually decided who the special administrator will be, who will now have basically the authority to go through and take a look at the assets and to determine who the heirs are and how they will handle them. the latest issue on that as well
is now they've set up this hearing for monday to start beginning the legal process here. and that basically means they do believe the court has agreed with tyka nelson that they do not believe that prince either had a will or a trust. so now you're probably looking at years here, don, before there's any resolution as to what will happen with prince's property. >> all right. stephanie elam, thank you very much. that is the very latest we have on the prince investigation. stephanie elam reporting that he does not have a will. a special administrator taking a look into the case to see who is going to control that will. possibly the sister. also investigators, local authorities investigating the death of prince found prescription opioid medication on him and in his home. again, that's according to a law enforcement official who is telling that to cnn. as soon as we get the very latest on this or more on this, we'll bring you more information on the death of prince. also the latest on a crazy day of politics ahead here. donald trump goes to washington, and ted cruz makes an unconventional choice well before the convention.
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with xerox. i think it's fair to say it's been a crazy day in politics. donald trump debuts his more presidential side with a big foreign policy speech in the nation's capital. and then ted cruz names a running mate without actually getting the nomination. if anybody can explain all of this to me and to you, to all of you, it's two of the smartest people in politics. that's gloria borger and mark preston. thank you for joining us here at
10:00 p.m. eastern. so ted cruz named carly fiorina as his vice presidential running mate. why? >> what? >> yeah, why? >> why? well, because he could and because he wanted to change a conversation. you know, donald trump had a big night last night. he had a major sweep. he's well on his way to that 1,237 number. >> foreign policy speech. >> foreign policy speech. cruz needed to have a kind of diversionary tactic to a degree. change the conversation. tell republicans, look, this is what my ticket would look like. i have a woman on this ticket who can go up against hillary clinton. she's great. she was terrific at debates. she's not unknown to you. she's a conservative and on and on. and he just put all those chips in the middle of the table. >> cart before the horse? >> a little bit, sure. i mean not a little bit. a lot actually. >> yeah. so sunlen serfaty got an interview with carly fiorina a short time ago. mark, i want you to listen to it. >> everything about this campaign, everything about this election is unprecedented.
let's face it. these are unprecedented times. and we face unprecedented challenges and dangers. i think this is a confident leader who knows what he wants to do for this nation and would wants the nation to understand who he is, what he believes, and who he wants by his side to fight this fight on behalf of the american people. >> is it bold, mark, or as some have been saying, desperate, especially those on the trump side? >> no, it's definitely desperate. i mean there's no doubt about it that this was a desperate move to try to stop donald trump from becoming the nominee. you can't fault him for it, though. he's mathematically eliminated right now from getting the nomination. he needed some kind of game-changer. you know, what's interesting about this is two things. one is whenever a candidate much suspense behind it.s so - we're wondering what's going to
happen, who is it going to be. there was no suspense on this one. second, ted cruz wouldn't be in this situation if weeks ago he had embraced the republican establishment and got them on his side, and he failed to do so. he chose not to do so. had he done so, he probably would have had a better chance of stopping donald trump. >> we had this poll from head to head likely a matchup between those two. if we could put that up because donald trump has been saying he is the presumptive nominee and he started attacking hillary clinton already, saying that she's playing the woman card. but, again, as this shows in a head to head matchup among women, she beats him. i mean, gloria, is that a mart line of attack for him? >> it is if you're still in a primary, okay, because republican voters -- republican women voters don't like hillary clinton. that's it. that's fine. so you attack hillary clinton all you want, in any way you want in a republican primary. as a general election proposition, it is not a good idea to attack hillary clinton's womanhood because his negatives among women are already
astronomical. and i was looking at some numbers, and if things were to stay the way they are and he's the nominee and hillary's the nominee, he would need to win 70% of white men in order to beat her given the gender chasm that now exists. >> even if those sanders voters are not motivated and they stay home and don't go out? >> nothing will motivate sanders voters like donald trump. >> right. >> go ahead, mark. >> you know, what i think donald trump -- the comment about the gender comment i think was really indicative of this internal struggle that donald trump is having right now about whether he's going to be himself, when he's going to say whatever he's on his mind, or whether he's going to be presidential. when he made that comment, that was not very presidential. >> no. he would say it's politically incorrect, but i'm going to be politically incorrect, and the one thing you can say about donald trump, which melania has said, is that he will do the same thing to women as he does
to men. i mean he talked about john kasich and the way he eats pancakes and he talks about hillary clinton's voice. >> right. >> he's equal opportunity. >> so after this foreign policy speech today, do we know what the donald trump doctrine is? >> it's very broad, and it reeks middle america. he was successful in that speech today. he reached middle america. >> no trade deals, you know, that are kbbad for you. we want to build up the military. no nation building. very populist message. >> make america great again. >> it's a populist message that really plays. >> it was very america today, right? >> rah rah? >> now i want to bring in tony katz. right spark in the middle of the state that could be the most important in the race so fafrt, he's saying, hello. good to see you again. >> good to see you again. >> so you're talking to voters in indiana every day. what are you hearing about the candidates? does ted cruz have a shot at
winning there? >> ted cruz does have a shot at winning here. there were two polls. there was a fox news poll and a wthr politics poll. both of those gave trump a plus seven if i average them together. well, that's nice, but that's not enough in indiana. so cruz absolutely had a shot here even before the kasich coalition building and even before selecting carly fiorina. indiana has become the referendum election. you know, what gloria and mark were talking about, they make a solid point. this is about trump or not trump in indiana now. it's no longer about do you like cruz, or would you rather have a kasich? are you in favor of trump being the nominee on the first ballot, or are you in favor of trump not being the nominee at all and having this go a few ballots deep at the convention? that is the choice that indiana is making, and when indiana makes that choice, it will carry through to cleveland. >> talk to me more about carly fiorina. how does she help him? does she help him in indiana? >> i don't know yet.
be much more inclined to say, see, i was successful. >> speaking of plays, since you brought it up -- you're going to see what i'm doing here. bobby knight is in his corner. how much does that help donald trump? >> it really depends on who you ask. bobby knight is a legend, right. iu basketball is legendary and honestly, guys, with all due respect, not enough of a run. you got to go deep, i'm telling you. but bobbie knight's endorsement doesn't hurt. but there are people upset with him when there was a big to-do about that anniversary of that glorified iu team. he didn't show up to that. he was at a fund-raiser, i think it was at purdue university. that has got a lot of people bothered. it was still a smart move for him. the only thing cruz could have done to beat that would be to have like, peyton manning come out and endorse him. when he gets the peyton manning endorsement, cruz seals indiana. done. >> are you hearing much about
this deal between cruz and kasich? do indiana voters think it's a smart tactic or is it a hail mary? >> i had ted cruz on the show the other day and i asked him about it and referred to it as what people are referring to it as, which is collusion. he said it's not collusion. it's coalition building. people are kind of deciding for themselves and they're 50/50 on that one. i don't think he needed to do it. i thought it was actually not the best move for ted cruz. he was doing well on his own and even that polling i was talking about earlier, which took place before this conversation between him and kasich, it had him in a good spot and a good place. i don't think he needed it. i think it probably rubbed some people the wrong way, especially here in indiana. it's just not the way hoosiers think from the north to the south. it doesn't work for them. in the overall, i still think cruz is in a position to take donald trump, but no one should deny trump's opportunities here. there is no large palpable never trump movement in indiana. it doesn't exist. there are people who don't like him, people who don't want to deal with him. but a never trump movement, that
is not loud and palpable in indiana. >> i've got to run, tony, but who wins? >> oh, gosh, ratings. ratings win. they win huge. >> gloria and mark are still on the set, and they both laughed. >> we hope so. >> i think they agree. thank you, tony. always a pleasure. >> see you guys later. >> no doubt about it. this is an unusual campaign. when we come back, the man who says ted cruz picking carly fiorina for his running mate is both smart and an act of desperation.
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>> ted cruz picks carly fiorina for a running mate. why carly fiorina and why now? >> well, boy, carly fiorina is a real superstar. she ran for the u.s. senate from california when i was the state party chairman there in 2010 and she really electrifies republicans. she connects really, really well. she's very solid on all of the issues that republicans are concerned about today, that the country is concerned about today. once senator cruz made a decision to choose carly fiorina, there was no reason to wait on that decision. let's get that information out there. let's have the announcement today and let the voters decide. she's only going to strengthen the ticket and provides another person to go out and campaign in a very strong way for senator cruz's leadership and now voters know who they'll get. >> this is donald trump reacting tonight to ted cruz veep pick. >> on television they say it nicely. he has no path to victory. that's a nice expression. he's got no path to victory.
he's mathematically eliminated. it's like if you're playing in the world series and your team loses a game, a certain game, he's mathematically eliminated. he has set a record, though. he is the first presidential candidate in the history of this country who's mathematically eliminated from being president who chose a vice presidential candidate, okay? it's a record. look, honestly i wish him well. but, folks, they're not going to do it for you. they're not going to do it. >> no path to victory here, ron. is it time to throw in the towel? many say he's just trying to change the narrative here and get some good news on his side. >> well, you know, as for donald trump, who models himself as being the most, you know, unpredictable guy out there, the great negotiator, the flexible guy, he seems to react predictably to every single thing that happens, which is to throw insults out there and highly personalize everything
and go on some type of tear. that's not really surprising at all. donald trump is going to be mathematically eliminated from this race on or before june 7th because this is going to a contested convention. there will be multiple ballots and there will be no nominee that will come out on the first ballot. but we're going to have ted cruz the nominee on the second ballot. that's where this is heading. he knows that. if he really was on a pathway to become the nominee, he wouldn't flip out the way he does. he would just blow it off and so on. but instead he goes on this tear because he knows he's not getting the altitude because every other republican nominee in recent times has been able to consolidate the republican base by this time, and he can't do that because he winds up insulting everybody. >> i think jeffrey lorde disagrees with that. as a matter of fact, i see you laughing. >> well, look, gerald ford didn't agree with this kind of thing either, and he had not consolidated the base by the time he got nominated in 1976. look, i would actually -- i don't want to make ron faint, but i would agree with his
description of carly fiorina. she's terrific. i mean i have no bones to pick with carly fiorina. it's just the simple math fact. senator cruz, whom i also like, is losing. that's just -- that's the fact. he lost here in pennsylvania. as a matter of fact, i'm writing a column this minute. this is the first time in history that i can research that anybody of either party has carried all 67 counties of pennsylvania in any election. and donald trump managed to do that, not to mention all the states and all the counties he carried in all these other states. what this says is that senator cruz, god bless him, just has not been able to strike a chord here in the northeastern united states, and he needs this to have an election victory as did ronald reagan, who did carry pennsylvania. >> i was waiting to see how long it would take for you to bring up ronald reagan since he's right there over your shoulder. i hate to tell you, jeffrey, but you're on television right now. you're not writing a column at
this moment. >> that's still historical fact, don. >> i'm just messing with you. >> nobody has carried 67 counties in modern history, period. >> you say this move with carly fiorina is both a smart pick and an act of desperation, matt. why do you say that? >> well, look, they're not mutually exclusive, you know. if you're down by a touchdown and time is running out, you throw a hail mary. that's not dumb. that's smart. that's what you do. i actually wrote a column over a month ago saying that ted cruz should have picked carly fiorina as his running mate back then and i think had he done it back then, he would be in better shape today. >> you also wrote something today on twitter. you wrote -- here's what you said. oh, eric trump did, not you. i'm sorry. not you. here's what eric trump said. >> don't confuse matt with donald. >> this is truly one of the greatest acts of desperation i
have ever seen. #cruz, #grasping at straws. this is from john brabender. he says if donald trump wins indiana next week, does ted cruz then announce his cabinet picks? just curious. i was just talking about this, matt, with gloria and mark. >> that's good. >> the math really is against cruz at this point. how could he change the outcome here? >> well, look, i think he has to win indiana. the interesting thing is i don't know that carly fiorina, for all the good things i think she could do and i think she could help. look, having her go against donald trump every day, baiting him potentially into mixing it up with her would not be good for trump. then she can go after hillary clinton in a way that i'm not sure a man can. she's tough. she can take the fight. but i don't know that it helps her in indiana. that's the bottom line. cruz has to win indiana. if he doesn't, then i think it is game over. >> everyone stay with me because we have lots more to talk about in the race for the white house. we'll be right back.
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of both the republican and democratic races. back with me now, jeffrey lord, ron nehring and matt lewis. matt, i've got another question for you. trump's big foreign policy speech today. he had some pretty harsh words for the obama administration. listen. >> our rivals no longer respect us. in fact, they're just as confused as our allies but in an even bigger problem is that they don't take us seriously anymore. truth is they don't respect us. >> so how would president trump go about regaining that respect? >> look, i think it would be about doing what you say that you're going to do. so, you know, no red lines. i think it would be about building up the military as trump talked about. so, look, i think that trump is clearly identifying an area where most republicans are going to agree with him on. the question is it gets a little confusing and, you know, even
some of the things i've said are almost contradictory. i said it would be doing what you say you're going to do. on the other hand, trump says, well, we have to keep people -- don't telegraph what we're going to do and we have to keep them guessing. so, you know, i think that speech had elements of brilliance in it. there were things that i really liked. but it was almost like there's a final draft yet to be written. like the editor needed to go over that speech one more time. >> all right. fair enough. jeffrey, i have this for you. this is madeleine albright. she went on a twitter tirade. firing off at least a dozen tweets about this, all right? she said the so-call so-called #trumpdoctrine is simply bell i koes rhetoric strung together with contradictory statements. bluster is no strategy, mr. trump. then she added, trump preaches unpredictability as a policy, then asks to trust him with the nuclear codes. then she says, trump's understanding of the trade policy is simplistic at best and would have disastrous effects on the economy. a lot of foreign policy experts, jeffrey, are having similar
reactions. what do you say to that? >> kwell, you know, that's an easy one. today we learn in the news that the north koreans went to great lengths to construct a replica of the blue house, which is the south korean equivalent of the white house. and what do we remember about madeleine albright? that she went to south korea, sipped the, what, the wine or whatever they were sipping up there. went to games. did all sorts of things to get good vibes from the north koreans, and here they are plotting to apparently assassinate the president of south korea. so how did that work? madeleine albright is the epito epitome, is the personalization of exactly what is wrong with american poll sicy elites when comes to policy. this is why trump like ronald reagan said our policy needs to be changed. it is rusted. it is old. it is out of shape. it's going in the wrong direction and we need to think anew. and madeleine albright of all people is exactly the symbol of
that, so i'm glad she tweeted it. >> ron, when you think we're going to see a big foreign policy speech from ted cruz? >> well, ted cruz is no stranger to the critical issues that are facing america in the areas of national security and our defense globally. what was really fascinating about the donald trump speech today is that it was kind of like if you put a hundred bumper stickers in a bucket and dumped the bucket out and whichever bumper stickers were face up, that's what your speech was. donald trump, when it comes to matters such as the iranian nuclear deal, jeffrey lord just mentions the koreas. well, bill clinton had a deal with north korea and north korea has a nuclear weapon. yet donald trump says he will abide by the terms of the nuclear deal that barack obama negotiated with iran. ted cruz would tear up that deal on day one. donald trump says he wants to be neutral between israel and the palestinians. that's really interesting because israel relies on u.s. military aid in order to protect itself from terrorists on its
border, with hezbollah and hamas. yet donald trump wants to be neutral in that regard. this is someone -- a donald trump who has said he wouldn't mind the u.s. pulling out of nato. he doesn't even understand the role that nato plays. so donald trump is cot gorically unprepared to be commander-in-chief of the united states. if you just watch the speech from today, he was so awkward in delivering it. he was just raeeading a speech didn't fully understand. >> a lot of people read from teleprompters. >> look at the deliver. this is somebody who is unfamiliar with the subject matter and it really showed. >> i'm short on time but je jeffrey, go ahead and respond quickly. >> this was a serious speech. it's getting good reviews. it's getting bad reviews with people that don't agree with the premise. it was quite reaganesque.
saying we've been here before. it's not working. that's where he wants to take the country and it's time to think anew. >> i give you props. you got three ronald reagan references in in both those segments. thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. coming up, donald trump accuses hillary clinton of playing the woman card. what do women voters think about that? i'm terrible at golf. he is. people say i'm getting better. no one's ever said that. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. he's just happier when he's playing.
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donald trump had a triumphant super tuesday and now he's turning his attention to hillary clinton, but will it work? let's discuss. hey leigh mcenany is here. >> she's got nothing else going. frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card, and the beautiful thing is women don't like her. okay? look how well i did with women tonight. >> i jumped the gun. i was so excited to get you guys on that i started introducing you before the sound bite. joining me now is kayleigh mcenany, mel robbins, haven't seen you in a while. and amy holmes, conservative political analyst. good to have all of you. kayleigh, i'm going to start with you. you heard donald trump saying hillary is playing the woman card. here's hillary clinton last night.
>> now, the other day, mr. trump accused me of playing the, quote, woman card. well, if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in! >> that was a good line. >> that was a good line. so i mean what is a woman card, and is hillary clinton using it, you think? >> yes, she is. this is the thing. she can enumerate those issues that she wants to fight for all she wants, but she sets our generation of females back anytime she uses gender to her advantage. if you don't want to be seen for your gender, then you don't use your gender. when you're in a debate with a man and a man says, excuse me, i'm talking, you don't use that as a manipulation tool. if you want to be a strong female, you have to act like a strong female when you're standing across from bernie sanders or another female. >> i don't disagree.
she has used the jentder card offensively. she did when she ran for the senate in 2000. if you remember, rick lazio charged across the stage and she seemed to be a victim of that maneuver, and it worked. >> oh, she did. >> and it worked for her. i think donald trump is exactly right, that she has played the woman card as have democrats in so many past elections. let's look at what happened to mitt romney in 2012 when he was constantly being accused of waging a war on women. and as the democratic party seems to believe that they have a monopoly on women's issues and the women's vote. i'm here to tell you and the cnn audience that women are not a monolith, that we have many different issues we care about, that we don't think with our gynecology. we think with our brain, all right? >> you scared me. i'm like where is she going with this? >> reproductive issues, yes, they are number one issues for some female voters but not for others. by the way, republicans usually win a majority of married men with children. >> you say hillary clinton should absolutely play that
card. why is that? >> why not? she's a woman, and there's nothing wrong with it. if you look at 2014, harvard business school study, 450,000 people over a decade that were asked who were better leaders, resoundingly they said their female leaders. there's nothing wrong with playing the woman card. she is a woman, don, and she should not shy away from using it. just like donald has been playing the billionaire card and the fact that he is a businessman and a non-politician. >> wait a minute. being a billionaire is -- >> i think she's handled it beautifully, and i don't think there's anything wrong with actually showing -- playing whatever the woman card is and leading with it. it makes her different in terms of how she leads. but the bottom line is i also think that donald is wrong in saying that she'd only have 5% of the vote if she were a dude. if she were a dude or a man that was the former secretary of
state, that has the track record that she has, that has been in the same marriage that forgave a cheating spouse, that has the family values and is a christian like she is, she'd actually have more people voting for her. so i think the fact that she's a woman has been a little bit of a deficit in this race, and she's played her cards very well. >> go ahead, kayleigh. you're shaking your head. i wanted to read something from "the new york times." >> amy is exactly right about democrats treating women like a monolith. they feel like if they spout things like women reproductive health funding that all the women will come on board. how insulting is that? my generation keeps about student loan debt. we don't care about -- >> let me read this because -- >> if you actually care about it, you should listen to what donald's saying, which is nothing. he has not spoken at all about student debt. so these things that you're talking about, he's not talking about. >> let me in here with what you're saying, mel. this goes along with what you're
saying. this is what andrew rosenthal over at "the new york times" -- this is how he put it. mr. trump complaining about ms. clinton playing the woman's card is like people complaining that beyonce brought race into the super bowl. hillary clinton is a woman even when she's not running for president. only members of a privileged e let are bothered when members of a press group like women and african-americans have the bad taste to be who they are in public. mel, he's saying what you're saying. >> yeah, basically she's not saying vote for me because i'm a woman. donald is saying, don't -- you know, if you're only voting for her because she's a woman, don't do it. the only person making an issue about her gender is donald trump. >> that is not true. i have to jump in here. >> because he essentially confronted by the fact that women resoundingly -- >> mel, hold on. hold on. hillary clinton has -- >> you've got the two that are sitting on your set, don.
>> hillary clinton has been explicit in saying vote for me to break the glass ceiling. what is the ceiling referring to? her gender. she was on stage when madeleine albright said there is a special place in hell for women who don't support women. this has been an explicit theme of the hillary clinton campaign. >> i've got to run. thank you. appreciate it. we'll be right back. uh oh. what's up? ♪ ♪ ♪ does nobody use a turn signal anymore? ♪